Alternative view: Does India deserve Dravid?

 
Alternative view: Does India deserve Dravid? Print E-mail
Written by Jaideep Varma   
Wednesday, 07 November 2007
 
The treatment being meted out to Rahul Dravid by the Indian cricket establishment is nothing new in the overall context of Indian cricket (remember Mohinder Amarnath?). But it is a first when it comes to dealing with a player of his significance.

In India, the individual’s feats have always been hailed over the team’s even in a team sport like cricket. So, the all-time great icons like Sunil Gavaskar and Kapil Dev were always given more space than the mere mortals who played around them. Gavaskar, to his great credit, never even gave a chance to anyone to question his presence (his last test innings was a classic 96 against Pakistan); Kapil Dev did, but since he was breaking the world record of highest test wickets, it was fair game for the Indian public. Apart from these two, it is only Sachin Tendulkar who has enjoyed that sacred space in Indian cricket. Bizarre, because the man most deserving of that privilege is actually someone else.

Rahul Dravid is the greatest cricketer India has ever produced. Greater than Tendulkar, Gavaskar and Kapil Dev, in practically every parameter you judge greatness in a sport by, especially a team sport. Unfortunately, his affable, gentlemanly demeanour has denied him that larger-than-life status that the star-struck Indian public responds to with blind devotion in large numbers. And that obscures the impact he has had on the Indian team and the game of cricket in general. Let’s start with some facts and figures, which though revealing, will never do enough justice to the individual. But still.

Winning Averages

Logic suggests that in a team sport with an individual slant such as cricket, the average of a batsman in matches that his team has won is a good indicator of his value to the team, if the sample size is substantial. With these parameters, these are the facts. All averages are rounded-off for simplicity.

Rahul Dravid’s batting average in matches that India has won is 77. Compared to his overall batting average of 56, it tells you the impact his performance has on the overall result. Tendulkar’s winning average is 64, Ganguly’s is 50 and Laxman’s 51 – all higher than their overall average – and this tells you why they are the big 4 in Indian cricket. Vishwanath’s winning average is 50 while Azharuddin’s is 56 – both higher than their overall averages. Gavaskar’s winning average, on the other hand, is 44, lower than his overall average of 51, which is very interesting, given the often defensive mindset of the team he played for, and the reputation he had for saving games, rather than winning them.

Does this idea get extended internationally? See for yourself. Lara’s winning average is 61, Steve Waugh’s 69, Ponting’s 66, Hayden 57, Kallis 64, Stephen Fleming 51, Martin Crowe 55, Miandad 60, Gooch 57, Viv Richards 52, Clive Lloyd 59, Ken Barrington 64...all higher than their overall averages. The top numbers belong to Bradman 130 (whew), Inzamam-ul-Haq 78 (a very interesting revelation about his true worth - something Imran Khan has been saying for years), Sobers 77, Frank Worrell 74, Greg Chappell 70.

In this pantheon, with these figures, you can see where Dravid stands, and where he belongs. Incidentally, Dravid’s batting average in test matches won by India abroad is 86.

Dravid is easily India’s “winningest” batsman. Tendulkar may be the most talented, Gavaskar the most solid, Laxman the most incandescent, Vishwanath and Azharuddin the true artists, but it is Dravid who has had the biggest long-term effect on Indian cricket results.

Even a casual Indian cricket fan (who knows test cricket is the real test) can think back on all the great Indian wins in the last 7 years (post the match-fixing problem period) and see one name coming up again and again. Whether it is Kolkata 2001 vs Australia, Kandy 2001 vs Sri Lanka, Headingly 2002 vs England, Adelaide 2003 vs Australia, Rawalpindi 2004 vs Pakistan, Kolkata 2005 vs Pakistan, Kingston 2006 vs West Indies…and these are easily 7 of the top ten wins. Dravid was man-of-the match in 5 of these, and in 2 played key supporting roles. (His last two test cricket series failures, in South Africa and England, no doubt precipitated his resignation as Indian captain, but more about that later).

Pressure Points


The hallmark of the greatest players in any sport is the ability to deliver under pressure. One revealing stat about any batsman in test cricket is his fourth innings performance. The colossus for India here is Sunil Gavaskar, and this is where the case of his being a greater batsman than Tendulkar gets strengthened. Gavaskar averages 58 in the fourth innings, Tendulkar just 33. Dravid, on the other hand, averages 49.

When you also bear in mind also that Gavaskar faced some of the quickest bowlers of all time as an opener when they were fresh and raring to go, and that Tendulkar batted at no. 4 pretty much all his life, frequently getting in when the new ball had been blunted (often by Dravid, who has batted no 3 most of his career), it makes the picture even clearer. Gavaskar and Dravid have faced the greater challenges for the team in any case, and surprise, surprise, have delivered more as well.

Saving test matches is an art that has all but been rendered extinct in these fast-paced times. Gavaskar was one of the great exponents of that, primarily because he needed to be, given the team he played for. Tendulkar needed to be too, and he did it a couple of times in the early 1990s when he was an under-estimated young batsman, never after he became the colossus of Indian cricket (perhaps he was too pre-occupied to put his head down and play according to situation rather than his own hype). Dravid, on the other hand, has played innings like that off and on, and even now shows this intent of dropping anchor and blunting attacks. (His 87 vs South Africa at Port Elizabeth 2001, and  144 vs West Indies at Georgetown 2002 have been his best two innings in that mould). There is no reason yet to believe there cannot be a few more of those from him. 

Flexibility


Gavaskar was a test opener all his life, and did not play enough ODI cricket to be judged on that (108 matches in these times is not much, and though he did average 35, it is really not an indication of anything). Tendulkar played at no. 4 most of his test career, and opened for India in ODIs with spectacular success, but never had the gumption to do the same in tests (only once in his 226-inning test career so far, has Tendulkar opened the Indian batting in tests; and all this in an era when the opening pair was India’s biggest worry). 

Dravid, on the other hand has opened the Indian batting in 13 innings at an average of 34; he has batted at no. 3 at an average of 59, and most spectacularly batted at no. 6 at an average of 69. He seemed his most positive and happiest when he was at no. 6 (he himself alluded to that in 2001), but unfortunately for him had to reclaim the no 3 position back as no Indian batsman had the wherewithal and sustained mental mindset to make a success of that position. After just 8 innings at no. 6, where he seemed to be flowering the most in an unexpected way.

Given the highly different skills required to bat at no. 3 and at no. 6, it does make one wonder how Gavaskar and Tendulkar would have taken to that level of enforced flexibility.

ODI cricket

In one-day cricket, the remarkably versatile qualities of Dravid’s batsmanship are exemplified even more. But unfortunately, it is here where Dravid’s contribution is obscured the most. He averages 39 with a winning average of 52. There have been so many sheet-anchor winning innings by him that is facile to list them here. Instead, it is worth looking at other facets.

Dravid played two of the finest ODI innings of the 1990s in losing efforts - 84 vs South Africa in 1997 (for which he got the man-of-the-match award) and 107 vs Pakistan also in 1997. Yet, just a year later, due to a lack of form, and for a suspected inability to pick singles with soft hands (which was a temporary problem he was going through then), he was dropped from the Indian team (despite his last innings being a 33 off 44 balls). He cemented his place back in the one-day side eventually as a wicket-keeper, broke the world record of the highest ODI score by a wicket-keeper against defending champions Sri Lanka in the 1999 World Cup, and amazed quite a few people by scoring the most runs in that tournament. He was the Indian ODI keeper for the most part of 5 years after that, playing 73 matches, and averaging 44.

For a man considered just as “The Wall”, he is sadly not remembered for the his 22-ball fifty against New Zealand just 4 years ago, till date amongst the second-fastest fifties for India in ODI cricket (the fastest is 21 balls by the quintessential flat-track, no-pressure bully Ajit Agarkar vs Zimbabwe). There have been many such stunningly counter-attacking innings from him, the last of which was the match-winning undefeated 92 against England barely 2 months ago, and yet he has been dropped from the ODI side for the moment.

It is a stupid decision, because ostensibly, instead of giving the positive message of no-one taking their place for granted, it has made every player more insecure about his place, because if a selfless, proven master like Dravid can be dropped after just a few weeks of playing a classic, match-winning ODI innings, anyone can.

Captaincy

 
In the wake of Dravid’s somewhat controversial resignation from the Indian captaincy, it is worth looking his captaincy performance vis-à-vis the other prominent Indian captains. Let’s look at success percentage, as these figures interestingly do not lie. Ganguly is India’s most successful captain with 43% success. He re-built the side from rock bottom in 2000, along with John Wright, and was greatly responsible with his spunk and attitude for India being unarguably the second-best test side in the world, and ODIs too, till at least 2003-04. Test wins in West Indies, Australia, England, Pakistan came under him but no notable overseas series wins.

Tendulkar was a poor captain, unimaginative, obstinate and inarticulate – his success percentage is 16. Gavaskar’s and Kapil Dev’s percentages are 19 and 12 respectively. Gavaskar was dogged by a defensive approach, and Kapil Dev had a big heart, with not much else going for him. Both had tremendous ODI tournament victories – the 1985 World Championship of Cricket and the 1983 Prudential World Cup – both were won with a mature side, playing at their optimum level. Kapil Dev does have an England series win in 1986 under him, despite his poor success percentage.

The other Indian captains have these figures to offer, as success percentages – Azharuddin 30, Bedi 27, Wadekar 25, MAK Pataudi 22, Vengsarkar 10.

Dravid’s success percentage in test cricket incidentally is 32 – thus making him the second-most successful Indian captain on this evidence (in 25 tests, which is not that small a sample-size either). If you add to this the much-eluded series wins in West Indies and England, and test wins in South Africa and Pakistan, it is not easy to make a case against a head-to-head as India’s finest captain with Sourav Ganguly.

And it is a bit of a copout to say that Dravid inherited a better team than Ganguly did. If anything, the opposite is actually true. From 2004-05, India’s poor results took away a lot of the sheen of its earlier achievements. When Dravid took over, the team was in shambles, with not a little turmoil going on around him (Chappell vs Ganguly, for starters). In any case, the expectations from Dravid were far greater when he became captain than when Ganguly had.

In fact, interestingly, in ODI cricket, Dravid’s captaincy record is superior to Ganguly’s – with a 56 % success percentage over 54 (making Dravid India’s most successful ODI skipper for anyone who has captained more than 20 ODIs). However, these figures do not provide the truest picture, because they do not account for World Cup performances and multi-nation tournaments like the Champions Trophy, where Ganguly’s team (in which Dravid was the jewel in the crown) excelled. It is also true that during Dravid’s captaincy, India slid badly in 2006-07 (after starting the year with a record-breaking spree of ODI wins chasing), and became one of the worst ODI sides in international cricket. Its first round exit in the 2007 World Cup completed this sorry spiral.

It is sad, because of all the players to captain India, Dravid had shown the most gumption and imagination in the early part of his captaincy career. His stunning declaration in the first test in 2004 against Pakistan, with Tendulkar unbeaten on 194 and playing a quintessentially selfish innings, showed a willingness to not pussyfoot around sacred cows more than any other player in the past. Later, during the record-breaking run chase sequence in 2006, his imaginative field placements and bowling changes had cricket pundits buzzing.  But somewhere along the way, a familiar bogey overtook him. Something that has plagued him as a player in the past caught up with him as a captain – Fear of Failure. It bogged him down as a captain, and eventually as a player too. The weight of expectation took its toll with the whole Indian team as they were shockingly knocked-out of the 2007 World Cup, after a spectacular loss to Bangladesh had put them on notice.

Despite not being removed from the captaincy (though Greg Chappell was, as coach) Dravid and his team came back strongly in mid-2007, till his much-criticized (and to be honest, inexplicable) decision to not enforce the follow-on after having England down-and-out on the fourth morning of the final test. Dravid was merely playing safe, so as to not lose the 1-0 lead his team had in the series (which ultimately was India’s margin of victory) but the historic series victory in England lost some of its sheen because of this pusillanimity. His own bowling spearhead Zaheer Khan contradicted him publicly (about the bowlers being too tired to carry on) and it must have stung. This lack of support that he may have sensed from his team, the strange balancing acts an Indian captain has to do with the BCCI, most importantly, back-to-back test series batting failures in South Africa and England – the strain was evident in Dravid’s game.

Critics dubbed his resignation as “timid” and “selfish”. Interestingly, it evokes Greg Chappell’s recommendation to Ganguly when the latter has lost form, that he drop himself or relieve himself from the captaincy. Dravid actually did that without being asked, no doubt to get his mojo back as a batsman. Should he be criticised for that, really?

This unexpected resignation is sad if Dravid never becomes Indian captain again, because there is still so much promise left unfulfilled in that department. If he could have just held on till the end of this season, with a successful tour of Australia to top it off, perhaps he would have got out of the funk he found himself in. But to achieve that, he would need his best batsman, himself, in top gear. No doubt Dravid would be acutely aware of his place in history, even if the nation and its hype-generators in the media do not have this perspective. 

Summation


But at the end of the day, coming back to our original point – how does Dravid compare in an overall analysis with the other 3 in contention for the “India’s greatest cricketer” tag?

Gavaskar is the greatest opening batsman India has produced, and would definitely find a place in an all-time great multinational side. He saved India more often than he won India matches, but that was also a function of India’s strength as an overall side, and the inferiority mindset Indian cricket suffered from in those pre-1983 times. His legendary overseas performances won him the respect of the international community and his list of great innings that impacted their matches are classics of Indian cricket.

Kapil Dev was a superb all-rounder, no doubt, capable of changing games with both bat and ball. But fact of the matter is – he did not really do that as often he seems to be given credit for. Sure, his breathtaking 175 not out against Zimbabwe kept India in the hunt in the 1983 World Cup, but he did not do anything particularly spectacular in any of the other key matches as a batsman or a bowler. Sure, he hit Hemmings for 4 consecutive sixes to save a follow on in 1990, but India still lost that match. He was a “great moments” cricketer rather than a consistently reliable winning cricketer, someone whose compilation album is likely to be a classic, but not any of his individual albums. At the end of the day, he wasn’t even the best all-rounder in the world in his time. Botham was a better batsman, Hadlee the better bowler and Imran the better captain, and all three have better figures than him as an all-rounder combination. As a captain, though he has some notable triumphs (like the 1983 World Cup and the 1986 England tour), his overall record is not inspiring at all.

In many ways, Tendulkar is the conundrum in Indian cricket. Easily the most naturally gifted player India has produced, and among the top 4 or 5 the world has ever seen, his overall figures flatter to deceive. He has not consistently delivered under pressure (in fact, since 2000 he has fairly consistently failed under pressure, like 10 consecutive failures in ODI finals, for example) and owes a lot of his inflated figures to the Bangladeshs and the Zimbabwes and innings that do not have an overall bearing on the test match. As a captain, he was one of the worst India has produced. He has been inspirational as an individual achiever, not as a team player, and that takes away a great deal of sheen from his profile amongst cricket students who value team outcomes over individual results.

Rahul Dravid, like Gavaskar, and unlike Kapil Dev and Tendulkar, is a classic albums person, rather than a great compilations album individual. As mentioned above, his innings have won more matches for India than any cricketer in history (we are basically talking test cricket, but there have been plenty of one-day wins too), many of which were played under intense pressure. As a captain, he has the best figures, and almost certainly has been a better captain than the other three under discussion here. With luck, perhaps one day he will become Indian captain again, without the negativity that occasionally and tragically plagues him. On the flexibility scale too, he scores the highest, in both test and one-day cricket, as explained above. It would make for an interesting debate whether he makes an all-time-great multi-nation side or not, but with Viv Richards available at no. 3, he may well be expendable here.(Then again, with Bradman available at no. 4, would Tendulkar or Lara make that side?)
 
One debate that is always stirred up about cricketers from different times is how incomparable their eras and their performances in it are. This is actually not true. If you look at the last 130 years of Test Cricket, by and large, the great players almost invariably have averaged between 50 and 60 (this gets much more solidified in the last 70 years or so). And the only superhuman in all this time is Donald Bradman, with his near-100 average (and Sobers as the all-rounder) – there should be little doubt that Bradman would have averaged something like this regardless of which era he played in. In this piece's context, if you argue that Gavaskar played the faster bowlers without a helmet, you can also argue that the parameters of fast bowlers have changed in the last 30 years as well. Thanks to fitness levels, an averagely-paced quick bowler of today was amongst the fastest bowlers in the world in those times. Far better fielding standards and more sporting wickets (read bowler-friendly) in Tests have also made it tougher to score runs than say in the early-1980s; meanwhile, the quality of equipment (especially cricket bats) has improved enormously. All in all, it all evens out with every passing generation, so comparisons are actually very valid.  
 
So, this is the case then – Rahul Dravid - India's best no. 3 batsman, India's "winningest" player, among India's top 2 or 3 captains, India's most flexible and selfless cricketer, a true gentleman who has had the respect of opponents and colleagues, seniors, peers and juniors, a man of dignity who does not use the media to unload angst, an inspiration to every kind of individual. And yet, his true worth and proper place in history continues to be unrecognized.

Here's hoping the next few months change that.


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Vistasp - A timely piece: Unregistered | 2007-11-10 06:05:40
Dravid's position in India's cricketing history was crying out to be reassessed. If anything, this painstakingly researched, well-reasoned and timely piece puts into perspective India's unreasonable obsession with marquee names and goes someway in correcting his undeniable stature vis-a-vis not only his contemporaries but also the cricketers of the past. Sachin fans need to rein in their emotions and understand this perspective for what it is worth. Sachin is easily lots more talented no doubt, but Dravid is lots more valuable. Some of us have known this home truth for a fairly long time now.

Now if only someone will do a similar job for another great unsung hero, one of India's greatest cricketing icons - the newly crowned skipper of the Indian cricket team, Anil Kumble.
Navroze - Dravid the greatest ever? Unregistered | 2007-11-12 05:22:06
The article broadly deals with two issues:
1) It is shocking that Rahul Dravid is dropped from ODI team.
2) Dravid is the greatest ever cricketer produced by India.

Coming to the firs point, I feel it’s not as shocking as it is made out to be by the media.
The fact is off late he was not scoring runs (his primary job); he is also not the most astute of runner between the wickets, he is certainly not a brilliant fielder in the outfield and currently Indian don’t have any wicket-keeping vacancy to salvage his career once again! Also the recent 20-20 triumph has thrown upon many potential youngsters who right now are just warming the benches. Given this scenario the selectors could hardly be faulted in their decision. The comical part of this story is that they have replaced Dravid with Sehwag! (He is yet not completely out of his slump and probably selecting somebody like Yusuf Pathan would have made better sense.) Maybe “Dada” is next in line given his current performances. (His strike rate has dropped alarmingly and he is just there in terms of “average” which probably may have saved his job for now.)

I feel selectors have mustered enough courage to drop one of the holy cows of Indian cricket purely on basis of current cricketing form. (Sometime back I read an article about how we Indians don’t have the guts to digest the stuff when our stars/heroes are attacked or their credentials questioned.)

Judging his ODI career over the years I feel that he has been more than lucky in playing so many ODI’s. Ironically he has played more ODIs than Sourav who I feel is the second best ODI batsman that India has produced after Sachin. Thanks to the Mongia match-fixing imbroglio and the way selectors deliberately side tracked Mongia from the team at that time that Rahul could prolong his ODI career. It’s only because of the wicket-keeper batsman compulsion in ODIs that Dravid got a new lease to his One day career. Please note this was not a great sacrifice on his part (ostensibly keeping team’s interest in mind as is often quoted by some Dravid fans) but only an inherent human survival instinct which was at work.

Also coming to the question of his role in ODI, the most potent argument made in his favour time and again is of his playing the sheet-anchor role in the team. Now pray enlighten me what exactly it means in today’s ODI context. Does it mean making 50 odd runs at a strike rate of 70 and getting out by the 40-41st over? Or it means the kind of innings played by Younus Khan the other day where he virtually brought Pakistan at the doorstep of winning the game for his country? In Dravid’s 300 odd ODIs how many times was he able to successfully finish the game for India la Michael Bevan or Andrew Symonds? Also do we see any sheet-anchor specialist in the Australian team? Most of their batsmen have the ability to attack or defend as per the game situation. These days when a 300 runs mark is breached quite frequently in ODIs I for one really suspect the role of a specialized sheet-anchor as I understand it.

If I take your test cricket analogy of Sachin batting at No. 4 (and how brilliantly Dravid blunts the new ball to make life easier for him) and extend it to Dravid in ODI, I feel that the plan suits perfectly for a batsman of Dravid’s style. Mostly he has played in the 3rd or 4th position throughout his career after the openers have performed their job (courtesy Sachin-Sourav or Sachin-Sehwag partnerships) and when the field is well spread out he can easily pace his innings by nudging singles or two with either a spinner or a second line of seamers/part timers operating on to test his ODI batting skills. It’s a different story that even then he has barely managed a strike rate in the range of 67-71 throughout his career. Definitely playing the sheet-anchor role to perfection I guess! Yes, he has 22 balls 50 to his name but such odds happen once in a while to a cricketer in a long career. Even the likes of Chanderpaul have a 69 balls century in Test Cricket! Better we don’t get “fooled by randomness” (term borrowed from Nassim Taleb’s brilliant book by the same name).

Coming to the second part of the article that Dravid is the greatest ever India cricketer, I feel that greatness can only be bestowed on somebody who has the right mix of talent, technique, temperament, flair, genius, innovation and of-course consistency. Unfortunately statistics only capture the last parameter (to some extent) and hence to call Dravid the greatest only on the basis of averages and statistics only underscores the term “greatest ever”. If that’s been the case then Mohammed Ali would not be regarded as the greatest boxer ever! There are many who still rate MAK Pataudi as the greatest ever Indian captain despite his not so flattering record or for that matter many experts still rate Mark Taylor and Allan Border a better captain than Steve Waugh the most successful in terms of statistics. Ken Barrington was called the run making machine and possess one of the best all time averages yet the purists rarely speak of him with the same awe as say of Jack Hobbes or Dennis Compton! Not to forget a very erudite and fast disappearing minority of Cricket followers who still rate Victor Trumper a notch above the Don!

My personal view is that if I take a holistic perspective of both test and one day formats and rate all the above cricketers that you have mentioned in your article than my vote will go to Sachin. (Though I feel somewhat injustice is done here to Kapil Dev considering that he toiled so much on the subcontinent wickets and was after all a more complete cricketer by virtue of him being an all-rounder and a very good fielder – judging by the standards when he played cricket).

Sachin has the most balanced record in both forms of cricket (and I need not quote statistics to prove that) than any of the short-listed ones! He has flair, genius, talent and the capacity to turn the match on single handedly and have been a real entertainer in his long career. Dravid’s virtue is his mental toughness and consistency (in Tests especially) but to call him the greatest on these parameters alone is a bit hard to digest.

While Dravid has played some match-winning innings as mentioned in your article, yet I feel here that this phenomena need to be further probed to put things in the right perspective. The reason being that he certainly was not the lone knight in shining armour single handedly taking India to magnificent victories as the picture is often presented (barring the Kingston victory).

1) Kolkatta 2001 Vs Australia – The innings that famously turned the match was of Laxman’s (arrived at 97 for 2) which definitely was ably supported by Dravid and to a lesser extent by Gangulay)

2) Kandy 2001 Vs Srilanka – Needing 260 odd to win Dravid scored 75 in the second innings while Gangulay remained not out at 98 (Kaif scoring the winning boundary). Gangulay adjudged the man of the match. Sachin Tendulkar missed the whole series because of injury.

3) Headingly 2002 Vs England – India piled up a mammoth 628/8 declared with centuries from big 3. Sachin 193, Dravid 148 and Sourav a quick fire 128 in only 167 balls. Sanjay Bangar was the other noteworthy performer who opened the innings and made a steady 68. Dravid man of the match.

3) Adelaide 2003 Vs Australia - Let us thoroughly analyze this series/test match as lot of people have been carried away by India merely drawing this series. Here my effort is just to put things in perspective so that the matters remain relevant to its actual context.

The tone for the series was set by Sourav with a fighting 144 at Brisbane. The second test at Adelaide saw two double centuries from Ricky Ponting(242) and Rahul Dravid (233) as India won comprehensively with a day to spare! The main hero obviously was Rahul Dravid who followed up with 72 not out to drive India home. Yet there were other heroes whom we rarely get to hear from the media commentators. Once again Laxman proved a major thorn to the Australians with 148 runs in the first innings to help put up a score in excess of 500 followed by a rapid innings of 32 in 34 balls to chase a winning score of 233.

The third test saw Virendra Sehwag’s effort (smashing 195 in only 233 deliveries) going in vain as we lost the test in less than 4 days on a livelier wicket in Melbourne than in Adelaide. (Ricky was comparatively slower to this double ton than in Adelaide either because of the nature of wicket or maybe he may have learnt a bitter lesson from the Adelaide test which got over within 4 days in India’s favour.)

Last test was the most dramatic one at Sydney where many in India felt they were cheated by a piece of poor umpiring. Sachin’s only real success on the tour came in this match when he scored a double ton. The manner of run scoring in this match was very different from his usual style. Many even harshly criticized him for being too slow. Some even cited that as the real reason for India loosing the series! (Sachin came to this tour fresh from an injury lay-off and had cut out on a lot of shots especially the pull and cut at square of the wicket.) What is not highlighted is the fact that Rahul Dravid took 446 balls to reach a score of 233 at Adelaide while Sachin scored 241 from 436 balls at Sydney! Again VVS Laxman scored a brilliant 178 to put up a mammoth total of 705.

Some other interesting aspects that are rarely highlighted while describing India’s heroics in the series; or for that matter, Dravid’s performance in the series:

1)Australia were without their most potent combination of McGrath and Shane Warne
2)Brett Lee was nursing an injury through the series and was not present in the first two tests
3)Gillespie was going through the worse phase of his bowling career and since has not really recovered his form.(excep...
sudarsan Unregistered | 2007-12-07 12:02:46
i think u have the best statistics. very good reply
Bingo Haley Unregistered | 2008-04-01 17:03:46
i think you have a lot of time on your hands. But indeed good reply!
Karthik Unregistered | 2008-06-17 06:20:46
Maybe Dravid can't always turn the match around single handedly but in most matches where india win, he is the second highest scorer. I.e. he always is the one who supports the other batsmen. Cricket is a game of teamwork and partnerships not individual performances. The most famous one being his partnership with laxman against australia. Other batsmen need him to support him and anchor one side so that the can bat freely.

He can't win it without India[other indian players] but India [other indian players]can win without him either.
Navroze - Dravid the greatest ever? cont Unregistered | 2007-11-12 05:37:38
where he turned up against Bangladesh to hit a double ton! Another example of not to be fooled by randomness)
4)The pitches presented were far from the devils that were produced against our previous encounters. Only Melbourne was a bit lively compared to their usual standards which we lost comprehensively
5)The bowlers on display were a, Andrew Bichel , (who rarely got a permanent place in the side) a rookie called Brad Williams, an out-of-form Gillespie and then the likes of Katich, Steve Waugh and McGill making the famed Australian bowling line-up
6)Remember a bloke called Akash Chopra, most of the times we got decent start in the series because of him. Dravid came almost every time after we got a decent start.
7)Dravid redeemed himself against the best team (although not against the best bowlers) since he was carrying a dismal record prior to this series (and also since). He averaged a paltry 15 in the previous tour to Oz scoring only 93 runs with 37 as highest. In the revenge series in India which they the Aussies won 2-1 Dravid’s average was a mere 27 in 4 tests against a full strength Australian bowling attack on Indian pitches.

Incidentally Sachin again came back from injury and played in last two tests (Nagpur and Bombay). He and Laxman helped us win by a slender margin at Mumbai with an innings that demanded the highest form of talent and technique (in the second innings) on a minefield of a wicket. Probably the worse test pitch ever prepared in recent history.

5) Rawalpindi 2004 Vs Pakistan – India notched up 600 with sizeable contribution of 270 (495 balls) from Rahul Dravid, however barring Sachin and Sehwag almost the full batting line-up clicked in this match. Laxman 71, Ganglay 77, Patel 69 and Yuvraj 47. India Won by an innings and 131 runs – Dravid man of the match and Sehwag man of the series.

Note: The fabulous start to the series was from Sehwag at Multan when he became the first Indian to score 300 runs (309 in only 375 deliveries). He was ably supported by Sachin Tendulkar 194 not out (348 balls) whe nthe famous declaration came. Yes the same man who won all round praise for exorcising the ghost of holy cows and putting the interest of the team as the foremost goal.

The interesting side story is that Sachin was on a consecutive overseas double ton (last test Sydney in Oz and first test Multan in Pakistan). His strike rate was 55.74 at Multan. The match got over in 4 days. In Rawalpindi test in the same series Rahul himself scores a double ton at a strike rate of 54.54. Again the match gets over in 4 days. Sachin finishes the series with an overall strike rate of 55.7 and Rahul with a series strike rate of 53.55!

6) Kolkatta 2005 Vs Pakistan – Rahul Dravid scored 100 in each innings in the match to take the MOM award. Tendulkar scored half centuries in both innings while Sehwag again scored a quick fire 81 at the top in the first innings against his favourite opposition. Dinesh Karthik also scored 90 odd. However the quality of Pakistan bowling attack was hardly woth mentioning with Sami the only real strike bowler. The rest comprised of Mohammad Khalil, Sahid Afridi, Danish Kaneria and even Younis Khan. The irony is yet Pakistan was able to draw the series by winning the last test at Bangalore despite another blazing innings from Sehwag (201 in only 262 deliveries)


7) Kingston 2006 Vs West Indies – This was a series where after a long long time most of the Indian batsman provided sparkling performances against a very mediocre attack. Wasim Jaffer setting the tone with a double hundred in the first test at Antigua. Sehwag (180), Dravid (146) and Kaif (14 all joined the party in the drawn test at St. Lucia, followed by another drawn test at St. Kitts (Laxman made a timely 100 to remind his detractors once again). The last test at Kingston was a truly solo act by captain Dravid (81 and 6 to register a memorable series victory on what was certainly not a good test wicket.
Sachin Tendulkar again unfortunately missed this series because of an injury.

The above points are made not to undermine Dravid’s performance but surely to emphasize the sizeable contribution of Sachin, Laxman and Sehwag in almost all the victories here, (except the Jamaica one) the point which is either completely missed by our scribes or they most likely only highlight Dravid's performance. This is a trend that has almost become fashionable of late.

Yes he is consistent, determined, dogged and is certainly a great batsman in Test format. In ODIs I have made my reservations very clear. The pertinent questions to need to be answered before he can claim the title of the greatest Indian cricketer ever is:

Does he have the genius of Tendulkar ?
Can he single handedly turn the match on his shoulders – Test or ODI ? (Even though practically many players can’t do it yet they at-least give hope to their viewers and followers based on their potential and natural talent – Kapil Dev is a classic case in point here – 175 against Zimbabwe, 4 sixes to avoid follow-on)
Is he a great innovator (a la Tendulkar who at times placed his innings at zero risk by cutting out on his favourite and effective shots yet manages the same efficiency and strike rate – Sydney double ton a case in point).

If an honest answer to all the above questions is in the affirmative then I wrest my case in favour of Dravid otherwise yeh baat kuch hazm nahi hoti yaar.


Other points
1) On comparing different eras on batting and bowling my view is exactly opposite. I really believe that batting has become easier in the last two decades than before. Some prominent reasons being:
1) Covered pitches
2) More and newer test venues with smaller circumference and shorter boundaries
3) Bowling restrictions – One bouncer rule and tough wide rules for ODIs
4) Front foot LBW laws
5) Neutral umpiring
6) Better protective equipments
7) Comparative lower standard of today’s bowlers (wholly subjective)

I personally feel that the likes of McGrath, Ambrose, Donald, Walsh, Warne, Waqar and Akram were a tribe apart as they have magnificent records despite such odds.

2) I personally feel that Kapil Dev was again the kind of person for whom only statistics will never completely do real justice. For me he was a miracle man from whom one always expected miraculous feats (though sparingly satisfied). I bet there were many Indians who felt the same way.

Some key performances that has entertained and remained imprinted in my mind over the years:
1) His 175 against Zimbabwe is part of the cricketing folklore
2) Bowling India to victory against Australia in Melbourne while nursing an injury
3) Blasting the New Zealand bowlers and fielders all over the park in the B&H semi-finals and taking us to victory (in partnership with Dilip Vengsarkar) which before his arrival to the crease seemed very uinlikely.(I think the story is that the New Zealand captain waved a white flag as a symbol of peace) .
4) Massacring the English attack at Lords by making 89 runs in over 50 odd minutes
5) 4 successive sixes at Lords to avoid follow on! Stuff only conjured up in childhood fantasy
6) A classic 129 runs counter attack at Port Elizabeth against a quality attack when India were tottering at 31for 5 and facing its worse ever defeat (scored 60% of runs from the total score of 215)
7) Another rescue act against West Indies (either at Cuttack or Gauhati) in 1987 series when India were 27 for 5 and he smashed the likes of Patrick Paterson to a whirlwind 81 or 89 (all from memory so don’t vouch for the exact score)

How can statistics ever completely capture such genius? Yet the cricketing followers were enthralled and entertained and always unabashedly pinned their hopes on to him to produce another of such miraculous feats.

Frankly speaking statistics rarely do justice to people who are naturally talented, as they tend to either throw it away or take it less seriously in absence of any real challenge. Mostly the determined and dogged ones are statistician’s delight. A case in point is Imran Khan who finished with a better batting average than both Botham and Kapil (though both were more naturally talented than Imran) as he “applied” himself to batting.
Amit Unregistered | 2008-01-17 11:31:09
I think the reply by Navroze is very high on facts & twisting figures, but less on understanding. You mention great Indian victories and downplay Dravid's role by stating that there were other contributors.. Look at your own list. You will understand that the only common name is Dravid. All others chipped in 1 or the other tests. But not all. So please stop downplaying Dravid's achievements in tests.
Karthik - Die Hard Dravid Fan Unregistered | 2008-06-17 08:11:27
Good Reply. You're absolutely right.
javed Unregistered | 2007-11-12 06:52:50
What a rich and englightening discussion...very good article, with a very good repartee by Navroze, great stuff for a cricket follower
Suman Srivastava - Wow! Unregistered | 2007-11-12 07:15:36
This is an amazing article. Quite an eye opener. And brilliantly researched. Well done.

Cheers
Ravi Rao - Reason vs Emotion Unregistered | 2007-11-12 12:21:30
i think jaideep's article is reasoned out without much emotion coming in, and naroze's response is emotional without reason affecting it that much. Both have their merits, but to me jaideep's argument has greater value because it is more eye-opening. navroze's arguments, while compelling reading, are what we are used to from the media anyway. There is no perspective in that (but love the passion). in fact, some of navroze's points actually prove what jaideep is trying to say. personally i feel tendulkar is overrated, but though i think the piece is a little unfair to kapil dev, it is interesting to see dravid's place in this. wonderful piece, keep it up.
Vistasp - On both views: Unregistered | 2007-11-12 23:31:25
I am not sure I entirely agree with you Ravi. There is no lack of emotion or reason on both sides. Navroze belittles all of Dravid's greatest innings with some pretty facile arguments and Jaideep is also not without blemish in this regard.

Jaideep, Sachin is not the only cricketer who would have helped himself with runs against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Every cricketer in the world does that. If anything both of them have scored a combined 1300+ runs against both sides. And yes, he is every bit a team man too. And bleeds every time I am sure when he fails. And yes like Navroze has pointed out rightly so, Headingley was every bit Sachin (in fact, more so) as it was Dravid. Sachin also played an important supporting cast against Pakistan at Kolkata 2005 with two fifties. Let’s not blur any achievements on either side while assessing their merits.

Navroze’s contention with each of Dravid’s match winning knocks is even more serious. Either that Sachin did not play that series or that what the heck, everybody else contributed as well. My riposte to that is so what stopped Sachin from playing similar defining innings over a much longer career? How is it that he has much less to show in terms of actual India victories despite his unchallenged genius? What is under discussion is not India’s most talented cricketer but India’s most worthy / valuable one. And Navroze, are you serious when you say that the innings that turned the match for us in Kolkata 2001 was only Laxman's? How can one say that after Dravid scored a monumental 180 odd? Especially when you then go on to surmise that in Rawalpindi, it was no big deal if Dravid scored 270 because everybody else scored too. So what was the highest from the everybody else that scored? A mere 77 from Ganguly? And who won that match for India? Ganguly? Cmon!

Then take the comparison between Sachin at Sydney and Dravid at Adelaide. Navroze says that Dravid took 446 balls to make 233 while Sachin scored 241 from 436. Hello, what has that got to do with anything? Dravid’s innings was played to a match situation which resulted in India winning the match. Sachin’s was an innings that actually robbed us of a memorable series victory overseas. Hence, the criticism.

You also say that Dravid redeemed himself against an ordinary Aussie attack after a prior average of 15 forgetting that if there has been one Indian cricketer who has had a phenomenal overseas record, it hasn’t been Sachin, but Dravid. I find that the unkindest statement of all, closely followed by the statement that there is no wicket keeping vacancy to salvage his ODI career once again. Really? Is that why he played those many one dayers? In a country which calls for its players’ heads after every inconsequential loss, do you think it would be possible for a player of even Dravid’s caliber to hold on to his position without consistently delivering. I am not a stats junkie so I won’t provide you with that (maybe somebody else will) but I think that statement definitely stretches credibility. And by the way, who amongst the old guard is an astute runner between the wickets and a great all-round fielder? Sachin?
cinziny Unregistered | 2008-01-19 06:35:08
you just do not understand cricket, so stop making stupid comments..
Vistasp - On both views: (contd) Unregistered | 2007-11-12 23:32:25
The irony is much unlike Navroze suggests. Dravid is most certainly NOT the holy cow of Indian cricket. It’s the greatest irony of our times that two cricketers who have actually given India its biggest and finest victories (Kumble and Dravid) have never enjoyed the same public fancy as Sachin has. Sachin is the original holy cow of our nation. Taking nothing away from the man, (and I love him personally) all I am asking for is some objectivity. Sachin is the Ferrari of our nation. It does not seem to matter if he delivers every time; it’s the image and the romance of it which overwhelms everything. And of course he is a genius to watch. Even that 99 against Pakistan two ODIs ago was a priceless treat to watch. But the fact to be acknowledged is that more often than not, post 2000, his genius has not really delivered!!! I hope and pray that his unquestionable resurgence ever since the England series is here to stay for some time.

I don’t know if Jaideep meant Dravid as the greatest cricketer in the context of Tests and Onedayers both. Because that, to my mind, he definitely isn’t. Sachin, is still by a mile India’s greatest ODI batsman, his failures in finals notwithstanding. Because it’s not like Dravid has played too many memorable ODI innings either. Taking nothing away from Sachin’s natural genius, Dravid though for me remains India’s greatest Test batsman. And that’s a bigger achievement in my book. We should just count our blessings that we are lucky to see both of them co-exist in the same age.

This has been a truly riveting discussion though. And thank God for the passion on both sides.:-)
holdingwilley Super Administrator | 2007-11-13 01:27:48
Thanks Navroze (and Vispi), for the responses. For the passion with which you responded and the time you took out.

However, I feel most of your points are off the main argument.

1) Both Tendulkar and Ganguly have been through much worse career troughs (much before 2005; and when Ganguly was dropped it was for other reasons) but dropping them never even crossed anyone's mind at that point (and with Tendulkar it still holds true). In fact, there was hardly any protest from the cricket public which proves Dravid is hardly a "holy cow" as you put it. And my point in the piece is - WHY isn't he a "holy cow"?

2) I said sheet-anchor winning innings (which means matches he finished for India), and besides missing that point, there are other anomalies too in your arguments - a) India did not lose the series in 2003-04 in Australia as you put it, b) comparing strike rates in different test matches is silly if you don't take into account the situation - Dravid and Laxman took India to 388 from 85 for 4 (while replying to Australia’s 556), and India was 194 for 3 when Tendulkar and Laxman began their partnership in Sydney (while setting a score in the first innings) – surely you understand enough cricket to know why the two strike-rates are totally not comparable. c) Dravid had a pretty good series against Australia in 2001, and with their so-called full-strength bowling, which you seem to have forgotten. d) OK, so Australia were not full-strength in their bowling in 2003 – that didn’t stop Tendulkar from failing in the pressure cooker situations there too. e) Of course, "the big 4" contributed comprehensively to India's winning performances, along with Akash Chopra and Sanjay Bangar and a few others you've forgotten to mention too; who is denying that point? It's just that Dravid contributed the most. Why is this so difficult to digest? These are facts, not emotive cries.

3) The point of the piece is exactly to underscore this whole "genius", "natural talent" syndrome in cricket. That this is a team game is forgotten, and you seem to be making the same mistake again and again in your arguments. In fact, because Dravid does NOT have the genius of Tendulkar, even if he and Tendulkar had contributed the same to the team in terms of victories, Dravid's achievement would be greater than Tendulkar's. As proven, since Dravid has actually won India more matches (the argument was also mostly about tests, but you seemed to have missed that too), he is far above Tendulkar.

4) You just need to see score-cards from the past to know whether batting is easier today or not. In any case, as mentioned, the great players are still averaging between 50 and 60, which would not be the case if batting was easier.

5) The 7 matches you've put forward in Kapil's defence - India lost 4 of those matches, (and 2 of the 3 won are ODIs)! Actually...wasn't that the point I was making too?

6) It is important to appreciate here why the emphasis here is on winning. The ability to handle the pressure that comes from the anticipation of a win is what separates the true champions from the merely great talents. Too many natural talents lash out with great effect when there is nothing to lose or win, but collapse in a heap when pressured.

7) Yes, statistics often do not do justice to natural genius in TEAM games, it is true. Precisely because the natural genius does not always play with the team's focus in front of him. It plays to showcase its talent, not to win the match for its team. That is my point - that I’m making again and again.

And Vispi, no other “great” batsman has his average ridiculously skewed against the weaker teams as Tendulkar does, both in tests and ODIs. Just check this out, please. No other “great” has his highest test score against Bangladesh or Zimbabwe either (except Hayden, who broke a world record at that time), like Tendulkar’s unbeaten 248 (for which he wasn’t even man-of-the-match).

9) The point is not to break down ODI and Test performances and determine the greatest in each, but to have a holistic view of overall impact. It’s pretty clear why Dravid scores on that count.

There are too many of us in the subcontinent for whom individual sparkle is more important than team achievements (look at the whole Murali thing going on now). This kind of following has been the bane of Indian cricket for too long now, and this also explains why Australia is the side it is today (Aussies have always been more team-centric). That also is the reason for the title of this piece – does India deserve Dravid? I’m not sure it does.

At the end of the day, I’d ask you to remember that cliché about sport – that it is a test of character more than anything else. Not talent, not flair, not “genius”. Great sporting encounters (both team and individual games) are about strength of character, it reveals character. I rest my case.

- Jaideep
www.cricketwithballs.com - classic albums Unregistered | 2007-11-16 23:59:42
I had trouble looking past your classic album quote, it is very apt.

For Dravid i'm thinking Paranoid Android by radiohead.

And for Ganguly, perhaps, something by the seekers or the monkees.
Narayanan.K - Views Unregistered | 2007-11-20 04:15:44
i don know to write big coloumns like jaideep or navroze both are obviously true in their remarks. But if you ask me personally the only blemish in sachin's career is his inability to win matches for india under pressure especially in odi's when we are chasing a score of above 280's. Am a die hard fan of sachin but if u ask me to compare those 2 players i wil go with Dravid in Tests and Ganguly in ODI's followed by sachin and then dravid. One small request to everybody dont compare anybody. When sachin was captain no one played well except him. so what am saying exactly let us enjoy the achievements of SACHIN, DRAVID, GANGULY last but not least LAXMAN no one has mentioned about him he is one of the best players INDIA has ever produced.

One small advice to those who are crazy about cricket. Dont read too much in to one day cricket. A batsman or a bowler should be judged only by test matches(TEST MATCH IS THE REAL TEST).
dilip shidhaye Unregistered | 2007-11-22 08:46:12
what rubbish has this chap Jaideep Varma written?
Hailing Dravid as India's Greatest Cricketre???
Has he gone Bonkers???
Does he not realise that Cricket involves Batting,bowling fielding and a thing called Team Spirit? A LOT OF TEAM ENERGY?
While rubbishing Tendulkar and Kapil dev's performances,he forgot to mention Kapil's bowling on Inept Indian pitches,his superb atletisim in the field and his inspiratonal personality,same goes for Sachin in terms of Fielding(any position on the field instead of Dravid's only SLIP fielding,where he has dropped many-many catches) i can go on and on and on......till cows come home.....
In short Dravid is(Thankfully WAS in ODIs)a very one dimesional cricketer and a person where as especially the other 2Gentlemen he dares say are inferior to him are MULTI DIMESIONAL CRICKETERS AS WELL AS PERSONS.
SADLY,RAHUL a VERY-VERY GOOD TEST CRICKET BATTER HE IS,he is a LONER.
Mr VARMA has CHOSEN,NOT TO mention Dravid's STRIKE RATE in ODIs,ESPECIALLY HOW MANY times his VERY SLOW batting FORCED others to take risks while this selfish guy kept being a WALL in ODIs,SIMPLY SHAMBOLIC!! Only in a country like India would he be kept in a ODI team for so long.
For test Cricket NO DOUBT he is a GREAT Batsman,but for GOD's SAKE,NOT the greatest cricketer.
I am a BIG FAN of HIM,but ONLY as a Batter.
Mai hoo india - Why you compare with others an Unregistered | 2007-12-06 03:29:36
I don't like comparing the people.
Anonymous Unregistered | 2007-12-06 08:43:20
koooooooooool one
swetha - nice topic Unregistered | 2007-12-06 08:54:41
i completely agree with the person Dravid is the greatest cricketer in India
Vimalan - sheer supidity Unregistered | 2007-12-06 12:36:29
calling Dravid the greatest ahead of a certain Sachin or a Gavaskar or a Kapil Dev is sheer stupidity...where was Dravid in 1990s when great bowlers were at their peak?..he is getting more than what he is deserved of..don't post something just to be different..such a stupidity
abhilash krishnan Unregistered | 2007-12-06 14:59:51

an incisive n well researched article...
truly rahul dravid is the greatest cricketer india has produced n for the doubters dont just start glorifying sachin or kapil just cos they were the so called superstars n it wud pay u doubters to read thru the article fully n present valid arguements rather than giving vague explanations n arguements.

that classic album n classic individual compilation quote is stirring, very rightly said jaideep....
keep up the good work.
charan - great work Unregistered | 2007-12-07 06:25:12
@navaroze.........

wat do say man...... dravid's morethan 10000 in ODIS and around 9500 runs in tests
are unworthy????? he did play with u or me ..... in ur street or in my street..

see the stats man....... his contribution in the matches where india won in both forms of the cricket..he is the onw who averages the most in the matches won by IND.. he is the only one frm india to get 5 double tons... after seeing ur wrds ,, the one .... one hu doesnt know cricket culd feel dat..... dravid got those tons on playing against the school children...

kewl man....... first know the facts ...
Anonymous Unregistered | 2007-12-07 06:40:14
A thought provoking article great job!
amit singh - dravid's the best Unregistered | 2007-12-07 08:37:18
well rahul dravid is truly the best batsman india has ever produced. people like saurav and sachin can play on pitches where batting is pretty easy but where batting becomes tough, the importance of dravid is visible. remember that test match in west indies when only 2 among 22 batsmen got 50!!!! mind u rahul got 50 in both innings!!!he scored 82 n 69 which gave india a win!!!
P.Linojose - dravid's the best Unregistered | 2007-12-07 09:36:12
Dont forgot the newealand tour(2003),it was unplayable pitch but the man got 79...No one from either side cross 30s except Mark Richardson..
sudarsan - don't over react Unregistered | 2007-12-07 11:47:58
to call dravid as 'the' greatest of indian cricketers is totally wrong. he is 'one of the greatest'. i would rate dravid as the best test batsman india has ever produced. but in odi's its sachin and ganguly who gave a new dimension to odi cricket. 1)remember dravid scored a painstaking 12 off 96 balls and prevented victory in the final test against england this year( ganguly scored 57(65).2)he scored 33 off 84 balls in the third odi against pak during the 2004 tour(ganguly scored 39(45)).3)once again, 24 off 74 balls in sharjah against pak just before the 1999 world cup.in another slow odi innings of 49 against SL during 2001,india needed 15 of the last over which dharmasena bowled. he couldn't get it and remained not out( ganguly was the top scorer with 69).in yet another odi innings, he remained unbeaten on 72 against SA during 2001 tour unable to see india through( ganguly scored 85 and was the man of the match but india lost). in all the above matches it was ganguly who top scored or made most of the runs. iam not trying to say he is poor but he has played some slow innings in which ganguly or tendulkar was the top scorer.that wiil give u some info regarding who is the best.just check the stats and talk buddy! i know each one of dravid's slow innings.
fastball - Biased article Unregistered | 2007-12-08 15:32:07
This is clearly a biased article in the sense that in order to bring out the greatness of Rahul Dravid, the author rather tastelessly tries to play down Sachin Tendulkar's achievements. The main point being brought out is that Dravid has apparently contributed more to India's victories.
Sachin Tendulkar however had his best years between 1995 and 2000 during which time he was consistently topping both the ICC test and ODI rankings along with Brian Lara. However India as a team was pathetic especially abroad and it culminated in a 3-0 whitewash downunder and a 2-0 loss to RSA at home in 1999-2000. (Check Rahul Dravid's & Saurav Ganguly's averages during those series).
On the other hand, Dravid's best years occured at a time when India grew as a team unit with every one contributing with the bat and the emergence of a decent pace attack that could take 20 wickets abroad.
While Dravid was scoring his big hundereds, Sehwag, Laxman, Sachin and Ganguly were all contributing as well and that is why India won.
The fact that Sachin was virtually a one man team back in the 1990s is widely acknowledged and that is the reason why he is the 'holy cow' of Indian cricket in the first place. His demi-god image was built between 1994-1998 when he was the only shining light in an otherwise mediocre side. There was no fab-four or even a fab-two back then. Admittedly Sachin Tendulkar was never quite the match saver as Sunil Gavaskar but a number of his sublime hundreds in tough conditions came to nought because of the shortcomings of his fellow team mates.
kingshuk - dravid the most selfish cricke Unregistered | 2007-12-11 03:02:54
hey please dont hail him as the greatest.this is biased and its a emotional topic which tries to inflate dravid's status.

in odis he was such a poor striker.he was dropped from the odi side but called due to the insistence of ganguly by making him a wicket keeper.and the match fixing issue which resulted in the ouster of azhar and jadeja and no competition for dravid for over 6 years in odis .he is very selfish but one can be selfish and succesful only in test cricket .test cricket is a boring form of cricket and its not the real test.odis is a perfect tool of assessing your abilties.

i think people say that tests are the best coz sunil gavaskar ravi shastri and other cricketers in the past have played only test cricket and get really jealous on seeing players with huge amounts of skill whacking balls to all corners of the park.hitting sixes as cleanly as yuvi or sourav is a much better skill than playing one whole day nd scoring painstakingly 50 runs in 200 balls..

nd sourav is certainly a great player.he bats at no 5 in tests and his record is not great since at no1 position you have sehwag den dravid den sachin .by the time he or laxman gets to bat they are left with declaration possibilities and time constraints and sourav wags his bat and get out for 40s or 50s.

in test cricket,there is lesser chances of a batsmen being out which means its easy cricket rather than odi cricket where batsmen gettting out is increased 10 times more.thats why i rate sachin and sourav as the greatest.

nd yuvraj as the upcoming great
ArKal - If I had a Nickel Everytime so Unregistered | 2007-12-26 10:37:55
If you had to go by past records, australians wud still ahve to select don bradman. Look at dravid's form. He's not scoring runs. u need to score runs on the pitch and not on paper. Yea, you can give him a couple of chances, but u cannot give him a hundred chances. If dravid is as good a player as he is made out to be, let him get his form back on track in the domestic circuit, fight his way back as every other player does (im talking bout ganguly here) and then get a place in the national side.
Wg Cdr Thomas Walker - Yes, of course Dravid is truly Unregistered | 2008-01-07 23:06:09

This article is almost what I wanted to say [but must admit it is so big can't read fully] Yes, Dravid is truly great particularly for the connoisseurs of the game ! Not easily understood by many. But, I believe he is in fact a better person and human being than just a Great Cricketer and this aspect is still to fully bloom in public. Truly a non-controversial person whom only a trpid Vengsarkar could involve in one. Add the number of dubious umpiring decision he suffered [definitely more than others as his smiling acceptance enboldens umpires] and hir batting merits could stand even taller !!
S Thomas - Finally! Unregistered | 2008-01-11 03:42:26
I never thought I would read an article that finally delves a litte deeper into the Dravid-Tendulkar story. And that too such a well substantiated one. Thank you. Cricket followers in India will continue to undervalue Dravid and hype Tendulkar, but for people like us, this is balm for the anger we have always felt at the way he has been treated.
Anoop Unregistered | 2008-02-15 08:44:04
What ever you say, Sachin is the best. What happened to your the so called best batsman for Inida now, he is out from the ODI team and soon will be out from the test. I am not against Dravid, but you Sachin haters makes me to write like this.

Sachin have never gone through a lean patch in his entire career like Dravid is going now,average below 20 and a string of single scores.
Thats the class and consistency sachin has shown in his career.
Tell me one player who can play consistently for 18 years. One thing I noted is the way you write against Sachin when Sachin fails you forget about cricket is a team game and blame him alone, but when he fires you people talk a lot of team game.


"Great players are remembered for their failures and ordinary players are for their triumph"
A. Ramesh Unregistered | 2008-02-19 07:41:26
Well-said Anoop. Very well-said. Most of the posts here make it amply clear how way off you guys at holdingwilley are on this issue. It seems to me that you guys run a cosy, little club out there with admissions reserved for those who hate SRT and loooove Dravid. Except for one sane Jarrod, everyone’s opinions are boringly interchangeable. The last reservoir of cricketing knowledge and sense reside with all you wise fellows here. The world and other writers and fans who disagree can go take a hike. And since you guys have got it in your skulls that Sachin is a holy cow, well, just go after him whenever he is seen on a cricket ground, whether it makes sense or not. (With the law of averages, occasionally it does.) And smarties I am guessing that if you attack Dravid and Ganguly, you won’t get the same number of posts and readers. What better way to get hits for a cricket site than going after Sachin? Right? It’s an absolute masterstroke fellas. Congrats. Go for it. Anything is fair game. Doesn’t matter whether he hits 0, 5 or 200 odd, you guys will find some miniscule fault, put it under an electron microscope and blow it up many times over. With Dravid of course, the same faults get shrunk to the size of a pinhead. The holy Bible says something about those who cast the first stone…But out here, our friends holding and willey behave as if they are so completely overboard in everything they do in real life. No selfishness, no jealousies, no personal motive whatsoever in all how they go about with their daily existence. But God forbid if Sachin displays the same trait. He is an ambassador for the sport, a young role model, so cry wolf. The presumptuousness of it all is astounding! Well here’s a suggestion. Since you guys are anyway a paranoid and rabid bunch of Sachin haters who have made a business out of gloating at his perceived inadequacies, why don’t you rename your site www.antisachin.com

It will at least be more appropriate and to the point and people like me can make our minds whether to proceed further with the name itself.
Sujesh Kumar - Very gud discussion Unregistered | 2008-02-22 01:16:42
Thanks to all for this wonderful discussion. Both sides were full of great knowledge in cricket. This article is one of the best I read about RAHUL DRAVID, whom me too believe as India's best Test player and amongst top five of the world. Nothing more I want to mention in support of this, as almost everything is written by the author...Thank You sir...
Arasu - YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS Unregistered | 2008-02-25 05:06:21
CRICKET IS A TEAM SPORT.ITS "TEAM INDIA" THAT MATERS.

Why are you creating divisions among players? You always writte bad articles about Sachin.

I will try my level best.. so that you people don't exist on google search Engines.

GOOD BYE.
i do believe that Rahul is the - RAHUL(THE GREAT WALL) Unregistered | 2008-05-01 16:06:15
Thilini - (The great wall) Unregistered | 2008-05-04 10:38:50
Give him to us -Srilanka. You dont deserve him. mad people are keeping him outside of your team. Of course he is the greatest cricketer in the world
harnoor chohan - about dravid and sachin Unregistered | 2008-08-22 08:22:21
@ anoop
man u said
" great players are remembered for their failures and ordinary for their success"
first for sachin.........


sachin is probably the best batsman ever played on this earth i rate him more then sir bradman..... please don't mock me people

coz at that time their were no
murlis and doosra's
no wasim and no reverse swing..
no no zooters neither subcontinent teams were strongers no media pressure at all
no body watching u play live and expecting....... believe these things matter.............
he is true genius innings which he played were of easy n grace and sheer pleasure to see the way he milked bowlers........

now for dravid...........

by which stretch of your imagination you consider dravid a ordinary player man...
coz if u do.. you don't know what cricket is...........
beacause as one of the most hard fought intense cricket innings that i have ever i ever seen are played by dravid..........
watching him play is like reading poetry
ups and down he clicked where everyone else was down and out!!!!!! except few times laxman
he is no doubt selfless coz he kept he batted at any position where team wanted he even opened when there was no one else when situation arrived......

proud to have them in our team and watching them play!!!!!!

but dravid is no ordinary player he is
"the wall"
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